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BoSox Hooligan - RSM™ wrote this 3 years agoPermalink

Manny Ramirez.  Man-Ram.  Manny Being Manny.  However you know him to be now, do not over-look what he has done for our team in the past. 

I remember when he was signed in the winter of 2000.  There was a lot of excitement revolving around the signing because of what he did while in Cleveland.  He was a promising addition who came with a hefty price tag.  An eight year, $160 million deal, with $20 million options for 2009 and 2010, pushing the total value of the contract to $200 million for 10 years.  Something that was talked about probably more than Manny himself.   He delivered for us right off the bat proving to us that he may just be worth his weight in gold.  By the time his first season was over, his season stats were a .306 batting average with 41 home runs and 125 RBI.  More than impressive for us title-hungry fans.  The first negative confrontation that he had with the media being involved, that I can remember, is in '03 when he was caught at a bar with some friends when he was supposedly too sick to play the upcoming series.  That stirred up a lot of controversy and may have just been the beginning of "Manny being Manny". 

Then the magical year of 2004 came around.  Manny led the AL with 43 home runs and came in third with 130 RBI.  He would end up being crowned MVP of the 2004 World Series and a HUGE part of the reason why our beloved Sox made it that far.  Something that should NEVER be forgotten.

Copied from Wikipedia during time frame of 2005-2006:

On May 15, Ramirez hit his 400th home run off Gil Meche of the Seattle Mariners. Ramirez is one of only 45 MLB players in the 400 home run club. On July 5, Ramirez hit his 20th career grand slam — and his third of the season — off Chris Young of the Texas Rangers. Only Lou Gehrig, with 23, has hit more.

2007 would end up being yet another landmark year for Manny.  Ramirez hit a walk-off 3-run home run in Game 2 of the ALDS against the Angels. In the fourth inning of the series' final game, Ramirez combined with Papi to hit back-to-back home runs.  During the World Series, Manny batted .348 with 4 home runs and 16 RBI.  Proving to be yet ANOTHER key asset to our second World Series in my lifetime. 

In 2008 he would join an elite club hitting his 500th career home run in our very own Fenway #2 against the Orioles.  Now, we're all use to hearing about his antics and even caught one live during a game in '05 where he disappeared into the Green Monster with just two outs in the sixth to use the bathroom.  Then there was this huge thing circling around when he was patrolling left with a water bottle in his back pocket.  We can't forget the catch-to-high-five play that he made.  My personal favorite (and most embarrassing) moment was that blooper his last year with us.  That hideous display where he bumbled the ball, rolled over it, then finally was able to get the throw off.   There are many "Manny being Manny" moments that we all remember and will never be able to forget.

One thing that I will never forget is everything that he did for our team while he was here.  It baffles my mind how soon people forget when things aren't going to well.  When he slaps Youk for unknown reasons, seems to "take no effort" at the plate and watches three pitches pass by him for strikes.  What about everything that he DID do?  I thank him for what he contributed to this ball club for so long.  Coming through in the clutch, making pansies out of Yankees and being a part of this team during his historic moments.  He really did pull through for us more than he let us down.  Let's not forget what he did do for us.  Whatever he does with the rest of his MLB career, I wish him the best and tip my cap to him.  As long as he doesn't show up dirty during the rest of his career, he'll be a shoe-in for the HOF.  Yes, he did do some stupid things.  But he brought a spark to the club and a big bat when we needed it most.  I appreciate that. 

Thank you Manny for everything that you did for our beloved Boston Red Sox.  Good luck, brother.

GO SOX!
RSM-RLF


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The problem is a lot of the Manny haters start all this by attacking the people who post pro Manny on here. The people who can still appreciate all that Manny brought to the table and can still be a Sox fan as well.
03/04/2009 10:22 PM  
Outlaw o..
So you hate Manny? Think about this then. Everybody KNOWS that Boras is a snake, right? Even though it seems you may not believe this, Manny is a human being. Some people are easier to persuade than others. Like Tek decided to stay with Boston instead of riding on Boras' coat tails. Manny did not. Manny got offered something rediculous (and you must admit that it was) by LA and wasn't even given the benefit of the doubt from Boston. Now knowing how Boras is, how could you blame things entirely on Manny? Besides that low-ball offer which was wisely turned down. I don't believe that he "over-turned" games. His stats actually PROVE otherwise. I don't condone Manny's actions toward the end of his tenure by any means. But I do thank him for being so phenominal all of those years. So, tell me, why do you "hate" Manny? Show me more cons than pros about him and then maybe I will see what you are trying to get at here. I saw a title-hungry Sox player for nearly EIGHT years. The last month or so he showed bad form. Besides that, what reason do you have to "hate Manny"? ...View More

03/03/2009 1:28 PM  
BoSox Ho..
ok ok...so you're coming from the angle that Manny gave his all for us?? See, I am not. I think he is way more talented. Yeah, I'm a Manny hater. I can see that. lol
03/03/2009 12:54 PM  
Scoobs
Yeah Manny never changed the outcomes of games. Apparently I have to post his numbers from his last 10 games in a Sox uniform: 342 AVG (13-38) 2HR, 8 RBI, 8 runs, 8 walks as well as a .397 on base % and a .527 slugging %. How is that dogging it. I hated all of that media created garbage, any time he struck out in his last days with the Sox they were questioning whether "he was sending a message" or not. Come on everyone strikes out! He had 20 homers with the Sox in July. Again how is that not performing??? I watched the Sunday night game before he was traded against the Yanks when he won the game with his bat ON A NATIONAL STAGE of ESPN. No one said anything about that yet if he went 0-4 everyone would have said he tanked it. What garbage. He went out the next night 2 days before the trade deadline and had another big night at the plate against the 1st place Angels as well. Don't believe the hype! ...View More

03/02/2009 8:28 PM  
Outlaw o..
in theory, which means you believe. everyone here has said it in regards to the world series but not in regards to him at the end of his tenure. The team wins AND loses together, so how did one man change the outcome?
03/02/2009 7:45 PM  
Cali
Manny theoretically changed the outcome of game(s). Now HOW does that NOT have anything to do with me???
03/02/2009 5:48 PM  
Scoobs
Scoobs, he could care less. It wasnt about the fans, it was about the organization and him. You people take things that have nothing to do with you personally. He felt wronged by Sox brass so he responded. He wasnt getting back at anyone but them. Like I said, I wouldnt have stood for it, but for some reason the rest of the Sox did. Maybe theres a little more behind the whole thing that we know. Maybe we know what the media wants us to know. And guess who lets the media in the clubhouse...those guys will write whatever the front office wants them to. 80% of the media are gutter rats! ...View More

03/02/2009 12:57 PM  
Cali
Supporting the individual is often the same as supporting the team. But in Manny's case, he asked Boston to choose. So I did.
03/02/2009 12:24 PM  
Scoobs
A return of Millar and Volcano would be sweet. Nomah as well. Manny will always be Manny. It reminds me a lot of the Billy Bucks things actually. In time, people will calm down and see Manny for more than just a joke.
03/02/2009 12:20 PM  
BoSox Ho..
Actually I like many of the former red Sox players that went to other teams, like Nixon, Kapler, millar, loretta, etc. (Damon being the exception for going to the Yanks for money) Difference is they were stand up guys who gave their all for the team and deserved the respect after they left. Manny was a heck of a player,...when Manny felt like it. That is why most people feel direspected by Manny and his actions. No one, including myself, will dispute his role in bringing a world series win to Boston. ...View More

03/02/2009 11:30 AM  
33TEK.....
so basically for a lot of you manny is the person you love when he is on your team. but hate when he is on another? kinda like deion sanders etc. i still say boreass is the problem. always has been. always will be.
03/02/2009 11:05 AM  
Pohnz
maybe...TWICE??? Aw c'mon, man! Anyway, that would be the difference then..two times vs a couple years. I see where you're coming from, now that I see where you're standing. Good debate!
03/01/2009 10:44 PM  
Scoobs
In time Manny will be forgiven by most Red Sox fans....it's too early for that right now.
03/01/2009 8:45 PM  
Knarfy
I'm seeing a lot of redundancy here. I stand by what I said in my blog and I always will. Scoobs stands by what she believes, Knarfy by his, Nick by his, Outlaw by his and every other Red Sox fan or otherwise. My point to this whole blog was simple, I don't care what stupid crap he pulled. What I do care about is how game after game he went out and gave it his all. He dropped the ball maybe TWICE in almost eight years of Red Sox baseball and some are ready to crucify him. Let the man make his own mistakes. You don't have to respect him. I will. ...View More

03/01/2009 8:22 PM  
BoSox Ho..
Most of the reason Manny was sent packing was because of his actions in the clubhouse.
03/01/2009 5:40 PM  
Knarfy
Oh yeah..Manny's a bog boy so is Tek. Bor-ASS is an ass and Tek was principled enough to override him. Tek now has what he wanted. Manny has that same option. I hope not exercising it is worth it for him.
03/01/2009 5:02 PM  
Scoobs
I do give him credit for what he has done. It used to be 100% credit and he could do no wrong in my eyes. Then, LA opened my eyes and although I couldn't forget about the good things he had done, now I was faced with the fact that he hadn't been giving us 100% when with us. No one can ever know for how long that was going on but surely, he cashed 100% of his paychk. My point is that all these years, we have supported him ALL the way.....not 90% or 85% or o% and he has cashed 100% of his contractual pay. I believe his 'will'-full actions have bearing on the tone of LA's recent offer. It may not be fair but it may be one of the consequences. ...View More

03/01/2009 4:56 PM  
Scoobs
You dont have to respect the man to appreciate and give him credit for what he has done. How many people respect Pete Rose? I think it is hillarious that the man gave us 7 2/3 years to us, great years, and a mojority run for their noose when he fealt like he was wronged by the club and responded. He isnt some green eared kid. Again, Im not saying I condone his actions but you people that bash him for "not playing" through his last week or so here need to read Outlaw's posts above. "To further add to those stats for the haters in manny's last 10 games in a Red Sox uniform he had a .342 AVG (13-38) 2HR, 8 RBI, 8 runs, 8 walks as well as a .397 on base % and a .527 slugging %. Also on a national stage of ESPN Sunday night baseball against the Yankees just days before he was traded he went 3-5, 2 doubles and 2 walks. How is any of that not performing???" I just dont get how some of you are running with your blinders on (sorry for the horse racing reference). ...View More

03/01/2009 4:18 PM  
Cali
Forgive. Some may say that I should forgive. Well, first he has to ask me to. That shows humility and I doubt it will ever happen but if it ever does, (and I mean genuinly) I'll be rushing to the front with my arms open wide to welcome him back. but for now, I won't respect him and I am really sorry about that. He's one talented ball player.
03/01/2009 3:51 PM  
Scoobs
Shame. Does anyone even talk about that anymore? I will. I'm ashamed of Manny Ramirez. Though he kept me in stitches with his candid shot moments and antics and though my mouth would drop the very next second as he pounded some heat over the wall, I do not respect him now. He finally showed what he is truly made of and I am soo ashamed...
03/01/2009 3:46 PM  
Scoobs
Respect. Who does Manny respect?
03/01/2009 3:37 PM  
Scoobs
Sorry if I took away from your meaning of this post, it was not my intention to take away the significance of what you wrote.
03/01/2009 3:34 PM  
33TEK.....
Manny may not be supposed to be on the pedistal that people want.But he also doesnt deserve to be on the lowest shelf in the dark closet.No he didnt win the world series by himself.BUT he was a HUGE part in winning those world series.Everyone played a part but just like the movies some people played bigger parts.Yes manny acted like an ass.He did ruin his last month with the sox.He had problems with management.I dont think manny said I think I will go screw the fans.It was bad info given to him to follow on how to stick it to the sox.Manny was a member of a RED SOX WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP team and should be remembered as such. ...View More

03/01/2009 2:26 PM  
Peasant
Manny was an incredible member of the Sox. No matter what the media made of him-he was one of our boys! Another excellent blog Jess!
03/01/2009 1:59 PM  
WickedRe..
I made my first trip to Fenway a week after he was traded. I never got so see it, but you can feel the energy in that picture up there! I still remember the entire bar standing there, just...like...that!! The man is amazing with a baseball bat in his hands!
03/01/2009 10:45 AM  
Cali
You speak the truth. As I've said before, the media makes the player. We see what they want us to see.
03/01/2009 10:43 AM  
BoSox Ho..
I'll always love Manny. Watching him at Fenway is one of my favorite memories of being there. When Manny Ramirez stepped up to the plate, the entire park was electric. The Red Sox chose to take alot of Manny stuff public the final year for a reason. Manny wasn't the only one talking to the media. They stopped protecting him when they wanted us to stop loving him.
03/01/2009 10:33 AM  
1st Plac..
My point was that Boras is an idiot. Something well known for quite some time now. He's dangling Manny out in the free agency market like a worm on a fish hook. Nobody is biting. Take the money from LA. Boras is rapidly ending your MLB career. Manny's too good of a ball player to continue playing these games with this idiot agent.
03/01/2009 1:30 AM  
BoSox Ho..
I sure as hell wouldn't. So I wouldn't expect a sure fire Hall Of Famer with 500 plus homeruns. Great point man. People don't pay attention to all the details and just want to add to the controversy. On the other hand it also shows he's not gonna get what they though, maybe these guys will stop believing what Scott Bore-ASS tells them about deals he can get them. We saw how Boras blew things for Tek when he turned down arbitration, now Manny probably won't get what he would have if the Sox picked up his options. Everyone rips Tek and Manny but lets not forget Boras is the evil puppet master behind it all. ...View More

02/28/2009 7:32 PM  
Outlaw o..
Question of the day, who here would work for 2 years for an employer that would be paying your 2 year annual salary over the next 5 years?
02/28/2009 5:48 PM  
Cali
rocky you're making no sense...go take your medication and get your GED.
02/28/2009 5:46 PM  
Knarfy
The contract isnt in question, he said he would take the 2 yr deal worth 45 million if the Dodgers pay him that 45 million in 2 years. The current contract offer by the Dodgers would defer part of that 45 million, INTEREST FREE, over the next 5 years.
02/28/2009 5:46 PM  
Cali
The NL west hasn't been strong since the Lasorda era. Did you hear that the Worcester Tornadoes made an offer to Manny? HAHA! Two years/$24,000. Boras is trying to create the illusion of leverage. He's alluding to the ubiquitous "mystery team(s)" and implying that Manny can take any one of the numerous other offers he's received instead of the Dodgers paltry 25 mil.
02/28/2009 5:07 PM  
BoSox Ho..
Whatever his friggin stats were, he should of shut his mouth and finished the season. He may have won another WS and the Red Sox might have exercised his option...big deal 19.5 million not enough for you Manny?
02/28/2009 3:57 PM  
Knarfy
Nick is exactly right, 299, 20 home runs, 22 doubles, 66 runs scored and 68 RBI in 100 games is not playing for us? I am so sick of this media creation mostly created by Peter Gammons on a National level. To further add to those stats for the haters in manny's last 10 games in a Red Sox uniform he had a .342 AVG (13-38) 2HR, 8 RBI, 8 runs, 8 walks as well as a .397 on base % and a .527 slugging %. Also on a national stage of ESPN Sunday night baseball against the Yankees just days before he was traded he went 3-5, 2 doubles and 2 walks. How is any of that not performing??? Manny's bat was a major contributor in keeping the Red Sox offense going in the first half last year and he did so with David Ortiz struggling and then out of the lineup for all of June and July. No no one said Manny "single handly" was the reason the Sox won the World Series in '04 and '07 BUT there is no one that can convince me that they would have won those without him either. Hell he was the World Series MVP in '04! Everyone points to his numbers jumping off when he went to LA as "proof" that he dogged it with the Sox but fail to look at it as the fact that he was going to the proven weaker National League, specifically one of the weakest divisions in all of baseball last year, the NL West and was able to feast on bad pitching and pitchers that haven't faced him often so mistakes were made. I mean CC Sabathia had a huge second half after being traded to the NL from the AL too. Does that mean he was dogging it too? No he was facing inferior talent compared to what he was used too. ...View More

02/28/2009 3:48 PM  
Outlaw o..
I'm pissed at Manny because last season we would have won it all if had stayed and performed up to his ability! He chose to act like a little baby..so they got rid of him. The team or Manny? His selfishness cost us. I can't forgive that....thanks for 2004 and 2007 Manny.
02/28/2009 3:18 PM  
Knarfy
We hear what the media wants us to hear. If they had shed positive light on the whole situation, there wouldn't be so much hate revolving around Manny. Jim Ed wasn't media or people savy, yet is now loved by all of RSN. I've read in many old posts how much people didn't like the way Jim Ed handled things and how "rude" they felt he was. Now look at things now. The media shows us a good guy, and we see him as a good guy. The media is bad for good baseball. Knarfy: Alright. ...View More

02/28/2009 3:10 PM  
BoSox Ho..
I agree whole heartedly, but its not in the contract they sign. So many Manny haters have mentioned him NOT going to hospitals with Papi. Im sorry the guys an ass but we cant hold that against him. What us fans lose sight of is that MLB is a business. "Sorry son, I can only sign Topps baseball cards..." what movies is that from? In response to your comment about giving up on your team, I do not and would not have condoned this. Unfortunately for whatever reason our guys DID allow it and then at the end of the year they also VOTED to pay him his bonus money for making the playoffs. Now if he rolled over, as everyone in the MEDIA states (and I capitalized that word for a reason), would the players have done that? I dont think they would have! ...View More

02/28/2009 3:07 PM  
Cali
Hooligan he wanted a response during the season. He would of gotten a response at the endo f the season...that's the way it works!
02/28/2009 3:06 PM  
Knarfy
He also showed up at camp late every year, how many times did he get fined? They gave him special treatment from day one, like I said Im not saying I agree with what he did, but this is like Selig passing the buck to the MLBPA in regards to steroids. Both sides were at fault but neither will admit to anything that will support this!
02/28/2009 2:57 PM  
Cali
He had an option for 2009. When all of this was going on it was because of the contract negotiations. They HAVE to discuss this with Manny. There was no "special treatment" expected, just a response. He never got that response.
02/28/2009 2:55 PM  
BoSox Ho..
A message that prima donna's like Manny get special treatment...the rules don't always apply to them. Good way to cause dissention in the clubhouse....sorry Manny!!
02/28/2009 2:55 PM  
Knarfy
Nick, I agree. If the organization is dicking him around he has every right to be upset, who wouldn't be. But not to take it out on the fans and his other teammates. The Red Sox were in a freakin pennant race and he decides not to play. You play, how would you feel if you're out there busting your ass everyday, but one guy is jogging to first, or somehow just not keeping the pace with everyone,or stands there and let's 3 pitches go by? Is that fair to you personally? Wouldn't it make you say WTF? Now your statement that players don't get paid to go out and do charitable things, that is true. However, if you asked the majority of children in a position to meet these guys, mostly those who are going to probably die mind you, who do you think they ask for the most. Manny and Big Papi. Whether these guys want it or not, it comes with the job. ...View More

02/28/2009 2:54 PM  
33TEK.....
The Red Sox have a policy of NOT discussing anything to do with contracts during the season. Manny knew this, but instead he expected special treatment. What kind of message would that have sent to the other players if the the Red Sox brass had told Manny....NOT A GOOD ONE!
02/28/2009 2:53 PM  
Knarfy
Amen to that, brother!
02/28/2009 2:48 PM  
BoSox Ho..
.299, 20 home runs, 22 doubles, 66 runs scored and 68 RBI in 100 games is NOT playing for us? You haters are so quick to forget the 86 years of agony this man helped get us through. Baseball players are not paid to go out in public for charity or coddle the media, they are paid to perform. He wanted to know if the Sox were going to have him back the next season. If they had told him yes he would have played, if they told him no he would have been forced to play. Instead they told him nothing and he threw his tantrum, now Im not saying I agree with how he handled THAT aspect of this ordeal but the team was at fault as much as Manny was and no one seems to bring that up! All they had to do was give the man an answer, dont you think, after everything he did for this team, he deserved at least that? ...View More

02/28/2009 2:40 PM  
Cali
True. My initial reaction to his decision to leave was anger. Only because of the ridiculous crap that he pulled. Once the anger subsided (pretty much when we picked up Bay) I put more thought behind Manny. What he did was stupid and arrogant. I give you that.
02/28/2009 2:39 PM  
BoSox Ho..
I guess for so long his antics were overlooked based on his contributions he made. Just seems that the antics became more than the contributing part did. I agree that when he played,he came through many times, and I am grateful for his role in helping the team to the championships. I just feel bad for the many who defended his actions in such a diehard fashion and then these being the same people he ultimately hurt by his actions towards the end of the season, like none of them mattered anymore. ...View More

02/28/2009 2:32 PM  
33TEK.....
Absolutely, 33TEK. You didn't offend me. I didn't put him on a pedestal either. As a matter of fact, nobody has. I believe this is the first blog that has even looked at Manny in a positive light. You could sit there and throw reason after reason why Manny was our tumor, and I could sit here and throw reason after reason why he was a viable asset. I have read several blogs bashing Manny and didn't comment on any of them. So, my rebuttal is a blog from both ends. Barb: I think every single of us in torn about Manny. I don't like the stupid crap that he pulled, but I respect his accomplishments. It's really hard to praise Manny without showing the opposite side of things as well. As far as the "three strikes looking" thing goes, yes, it was like throwing the game. I never said that I liked or respected the fact that he did that. He DID do stupid things (I'm beginning to sound like a broken record) but I still thank him for the great things he brought to our team. ...View More

02/28/2009 2:20 PM  
BoSox Ho..
Bosox, not looking for a fight. I get tired of people putting Manny on a pedestal as if he was the greatest player since Ted Williams is all. And make no mistake, absolutely NO comparison between the 2 by the way. In my opinion, Manny said, F-U boston when he went to LA. LA fans are the best, LA is the best he said. Well weren't we the best only a short time ago. After all the support he got for all his antics here, he still crapped on Boston after he left and actually really BEFORE he left by not playing, isn't that almost like throwing the game? Bottom line, I repsect your opinion and although we do not agree here, there is no reason to be anything but civil. Twice I respected your opinion and did not insult you in any way. So if I have offended you in some way, I apologize. ...View More

02/28/2009 1:49 PM  
33TEK.....
We CAN and we WILL win without him. If he would've just dumped the attitude and played the game, he'd still be getting the pay he wants and would still be in a Sox uniform with a chance to get another ring. It's frustrating, but still doesn't change the fact that I support him for the great things he did for us.
02/28/2009 1:20 PM  
BoSox Ho..
That is a beautiful picture, that is for damn sure. It is just too bad that he is such an idiot...
02/28/2009 11:33 AM  
K Dub-Fe..
God that pictures still gives me the chills!
02/28/2009 11:07 AM  
Cali
33TEK: Did you even read the blog or just get the idea that it was a Manny appreciation blog and figure "I'll rant and rave without reading." Did I deny the fact that he did stupid or disrespectful things? Nope. As a matter of fact, I described several stupid things that he did in detail. I also said things that I'm thankful for as far as he's concerned. What I can't understand is how every "diehard anti-Manny non-supporter" doesn't even care about what he did contribute to this team and only cares about the negative impact he had. You can deny it all you want, but stats don't lie. As far as win as a team, lose as a team goes; I completely agree with you on that one. Which would be why I said that he's PART OF THE REASON why the Sox made it that far. On the flip side of that, Manny did pull through in the clutch in order for us to win games, did he not? To boil things down: He did get selfish, childish and low. But it still doesn't change the fact that he pulled through for us in BIG ways while he was here. And how in the hell could you STILL hate him after knowing that? ...View More

02/28/2009 11:01 AM  
BoSox Ho..
I can't understand why every diehard Manny supporter doesn't have any animosity towards him for laying down on his team. It was clear when he turned on the heat in LA, that he was NOT PLAYING HERE. I absolutely cannot respect a guy for doing that. If you are pissed off at management it still is lousy to do to your other teammates. And to stand at the plate and let 3 pitches go by when everyone calls him "one of the greatest hitters" just shows his spitefulness. He didn't feel like hitting, so he didn't. As far as that hideous play, it was hideous for a professional ball player to flounder like a fish in a boat on the grass and then to get up and laugh about it just shows his inability to comprehend the consequences of his actions. You point out many good things Manny did,but also glaze over the negative things, that seem to outweigh the good at this point. Again, I respect your thoughts on Manny. I cannot overlook his accomplishments here,but it is disheartening that he let all the same fans down that supported him, by being a spoiled little baby. ...View More

02/28/2009 9:09 AM  
33TEK.....
Manny did not bring LA to the World Series. So if he is a single handed game winner I guess that theory doesn't hold water. It was the other 8 guys on the field that didn't HELP get the job done. As for the Sox, I will never agree to the fact that Manny alone caused the Red Sox to win the World Series. It would be disrespectful to the rest of the roster to say that their contributions were nothing compared to what Manny did. Actually the Red Sox got to the World Series in 2007 despite Manny. Remember when he took his fall vacation, oooops, oblique problem, and despite him being out for all of september, the rest of the team "managed" somehow to keep it going. Sorry, love Manny all you want, I respect your opinions, but Manny is an attention whore and if he doesn't get it he puts and stomps his feet. His current situation is his own doing. ...View More

02/28/2009 8:49 AM  
33TEK.....
f*&k you Outlaw!
02/28/2009 7:56 AM  
Knarfy
It is a major reach to say they still would have won those championships without him. The problem is most fans only like the "dirtdog" players, which I don't have a problem with and like myself but in a lot of cases( I said, a lot, not all cases) they aren't all that talented to be able to carry a team offensively. You still need your superstars. I just find it funny how so many superstars have a problem playing in Boston. The fact is those teams wouldn't have won those championships without him. Period. As far as having hope for the future, yeah of course I still do because they have improved in other areas that will make this team ultra competitive, like the bullpen, starting staff, ect. It's a different team than in 2004 and 2007. Saying they would have still won without him then is the same thing as saying they would have won in '04 without Ortiz or in '07 without Beckett... Oh and the problem is some people draw a line between appreciating a players accomplishments and being a fan of the Sox. I can still do both so f*&k off to all the people who want to question my loyalties! If someone posts a blog you don't agree with instead of leaving childish comments that someone sucks don't read it and don't crucify people for giving a differing opinion. ...View More

02/28/2009 7:44 AM  
Outlaw o..
MANNY SUCKS!...GO RED SOX!
02/28/2009 7:08 AM  
Knarfy
yah know Scoobs I hear what you're saying. No One guy before the team. But I followed Manny as an Injun..his first Homer in Yankee Stadium. His Buddy Carl Everett, talk about a bad influence. Manny's was just a goofey kid..and he still is...does that make him a "bad" person ?? He's made a ton of mistakes..but who are we to pass judgement...he's just a kid who had the world on a platter. Maybe him sitting a Season will shake the marbles in his head. If not..well there's alot of talent flushed down the drain, and who's to blame ?? The Sox didn't have the mentoring back when Manny came on board...Manny (to me) is just a lost talent .. he could have been developed, guided blah blah blah, it's all in the timing of where the Sox were and when/where he was in his carrer with them. Things would have been extremely different had he not been during the Yawkeey Way days. ...View More

02/27/2009 11:56 PM  
PsychoSo..
BTW, there is no ONE person that won those championships for us. If we didn't have Manny, we would have had a different dynamic and I do not believe that Theo would have collapsed in his ability to bring a CHampionship to us. If you say we would not have won w/o him then, how can you possibly have hope for the future?
02/27/2009 11:37 PM  
Scoobs
Ok, but I am one who celebrated his wins with and for us as much as the next guy. I am proud that I did that.... THEN. I have not forgotten that I did that because of what he did...THEN. It is because of the way he has acted and shown his true colors SINCE then, that have changed my mind ABOUT him NOW. I would NEVER honor someone who is currently NOT honoring their own team (when he was with the Sox). When you ask me to choose loyalties, as he did to every Red Sox fan, there is not contest. I am a Red Sox fan first, foremost and always. Once you split ways with my boys, you split ways with me. AND DATS A FACT, JACK!!!!!! LOL ...View More

02/27/2009 11:35 PM  
Scoobs
Great post! Thank you. Lets all remember we wouldn't have celebrated 2 World Series championships without Manny
02/27/2009 11:21 PM  
Outlaw o..
Well Said!
02/27/2009 11:19 PM  
ツD..
tips cap to Don Hooligan...MANNY WAS MY HERO IN 2004..IN 2007 HE REAFFIRMED STATUS...I CAN NOT EVER FORGET MANNY A LA THOSE YEARS... I ALWAYS TRY TO REMEMBER HIM FOR WHAT HE DID NOT WHAT HE DIDNT DO..I TRY REAL HARD TO NOT THINK ABOUT THE EVER ELUSIVE "WHAT COULD HAVE BEENS" OF LAST YEAR...BUT...WITH THAT BEING SAID...IT IS WHAT IT IS...BUT...BUT....BUT...WHAT IF....MANNY HADNT FAKED A KNEE INJURY....WHAT IF..MANNY HAD REMEMBERED WHICH KNEE HE WAS LIMPING ON...WHAT IF,...MY BOY MANNY HADNT HAVE THROWN A 70 YEAR OLD DOWN ON THE GROUND THEN SAID "WHAT HAPPENS IN CLUBHOUSE STAYS IN CLUBHOUSE" WHEN ASKED ABOUT INCIDENT...I LOVE MANNY...I RESPECT MANNY..I HAVE HAD DREAMS WHERE MANNY AND I ARE TALKING AT A BAR FOR HOURS AND I AM SERIOUSLY CONVINCED HE DREAMT IT TOO AND WE ACTUALLY CONNECTED....YEAH OK...DONT SMOKE POT...ANYWAYS...I LOVE 24...I RESPECT 24..IF YA DOUBT THAT REFER MY PREVIOUS BLOG ABOUT THE BULLSH*&T CARTOON DEPICTING "FANS" SPITTING ON 24....EVEN RAF KNEW THAT WAS WRONG..SO WHAT NOW??? IN THE ECONOMIC COLLAPSE IMMINENT IN US TODAY...WITH ALL OF US $35,000 A YEAR FOLKS FACING LAY-OFFS AND PAYCUTS..MANNY WONT TAKE $25 MILLION FOR 162 GAMES OF PLAYING BALL????? ARE U F-ING KIDDING ME, MR. RAMIREZ??????????????? HOOLS, WHAT IS HE THINKING???????? ...View More

02/27/2009 11:16 PM  
RSMâ„..
yuppers
02/27/2009 10:57 PM  
PsychoSo..


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